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01:09, 26 October 2009 Mountain (Talk | contribs) New reply created (since deleted)  
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03:11, 14 October 2009 Mountain (Talk | contribs) New thread created  

I think Chinese Wikipedia are different from Hudong & Baidu Baike in below points:

  • Community culture:
    • NPOV leads to truly mutual respect, and open a chance for every counterpart to join the conversation.
  • IP law enforcement: Copy-paste is common in Hudong & Baidu Baike
  • interaction with other Chinese-speaking area, including Hong Kong and Taiwan
  • interaction with other languages, esp the English Wikipedia

Above points made Wikipedia special in China and popular for a small portion of people. Although no scientific study on the contributors for the 3 website, they may not overlap too much. People like Wikipedia dose not tend to use Hudong and Baidu any more.

But for search result of search engines, Hudong and Baidu may be prior to Wikipedia, this will impact the quantity of newcomers. But we still lack scientific study on this topic.

Are Hudong and Baidu real competitors? I think it is still in question and need more study.--Mountain 13:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

And commons, with millions of pictures from around the world, is a difference. The problem is at the moment, that you have to understand English. That means, Wikipedia is more international. That might be a negative Factor and that Wikimedia could be seen as a western project too. --Goldzahn 03:41, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Mountain03:11, 14 October 2009

All four above mentioned items are advantages of Wikipedia over Hudong and Baidu, but we need to ask ourselves a question, how many percentage of readers in China really care about these four advantages? If our objective is to targeted mass Internet audience in China, we need to think from our users' point of views. From users' perspectives, I think Hudong and Baidu Baike are undoubtedly our competitors.

For search result, I selected 10+ keywords from Comparison with Baidu and Hudong with the criteria that all three sites have articles on the keyword, and Googled them, I found for most of the searches, Baidu Baike ranks No. 1 in search results. Wikipedia generally has better ranks than Hudong. I don't know whether it is possibility to enhance the ranks of Wikipedia.

Tangos14:28, 21 October 2009

Hi, Tangos. I think our objective is to targeted mass Internet audience in China. But that dose not means we should face trade-off on qualities. The long term value of Wikipedia is its free knowledge.

  • Many social news on their home page to attract not-well-educated users.
  • Move content by easy copy-paste.
  • etc...

"We know the market better" this statement is a deny for the intelligence of Chinese people.

I mean we should not follow their strategy which is totally wrong in long term, but take some positive actions for their competitions:

  • Increase offline activities of the community
  • Seek proper partners in China
  • Enhance the coverage of content by some systematic way
    • Adding geographic entries in China, this is very useful for mass users.
    • Adding contemporary people entries in China
Mountain02:45, 22 October 2009

No, no, I don't mean that we need to sacrifice our quality and compromise our principle in order to attract more readers. But we need to fully understand the competitive landscape and acknowledge the strength of our competitors, and learn from them and to find our what factors we can leverage to increase our user bases.

ps. I totally agree with your last three action plans.

Tangos15:03, 22 October 2009
 
 

In a PR approach, Hudong is our competitor, Baidu is not, in the brand to be exact. Hudong obviously tried to use our brand, claiming themselves "the China's Wikipedia", even in online reports in HK. I didn't see Baidu had such thing

If you guys want me to do some more detailed media analysis, please reply --Yuyu 17:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Yuyu17:02, 25 October 2009

Yes, Yuyu. We need you help.

Mountain01:09, 26 October 2009