Talk:Community guidelines/en

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Aren't "Rules of Engagement" for things like military or police operations? Is Wikimedia.org a police state? CQ 20:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you seriously going to read any of them and suggest that it's anything like a police state? If anything, we err very strongly to the other direction.  :-) -- Philippe 20:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
That said, if the phrase has military/police connotations as per the linked WP article, perhaps a different page title, like code of conduct, might be preferable? I don't think CQ is objecting to the content of the page, just to the title.--Eloquence 20:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not going to push back strongly, except to say that every business setting I've worked in has used the same language - including on a call we had a couple days ago with Wikimedia's own consultants. :) I think the term is far more widely used outside the military world, for example at [1]. -- Philippe 20:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Also the question as to the "purpose" of Strategic Planning:Users. Is there a problem for "regular people" participating here within their own group space? A lot of contributors are made to feel like "nobodies" within most Wikimedia projects. This is a huge problem and very well known as central to impeding Wikimedia's progress within the context of a maturing Internet. Is Strategic Planning just for admins, sysops and bureaucrats? I know it isn't. I must believe it isn't. CQ 21:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
No, strategic planning is for everyone, and there is no separation based on roles. You have the same voice as anyone. I just didn't (and still don't) know what the intended use of the page is. Is it to discuss a particular issue? Is it to work for a particular proposal? Any of those, and many other uses are fine. I just wondered what this intended use was for that one.  :-) -- Philippe 21:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- by the way, if you believe that's a major issue for Wikimedia, I hope you'll think about a path to get past it and write it up as a Proposal. -- Philippe 21:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Cool :) Community is important. CQ 21:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
How about "Community Guidelines"? On other Wikis, I've used, "Wiki Zen" :-) --Eekim 21:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
If we're going to change it (which I'm still not convinced is necessary, but willing to go with the flow on if others feel strongly), now's the time, before we get a ton of translations with that page name.... -- Philippe 22:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Community Guidelines is much more appropriate, in my view. CQ 22:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, its been moved. :) -- Philippe 22:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Wow that was a chore! Good thing you did it now! Thank You very much:) CQ 23:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't the translation template and the language template also be moved? --Solstag 23:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

just an idea...

About the fragment I copied and pasted below, I suggest you both pay a visit to a proposal called "stupidity of increasingly smaller crowds", and in its talk page there's a link to another proposal (something on sustainability) by one Bodnotbod. Please do it before you decide to create a proposal. I might be wrong, but I believe you are all talking about the same issue, and I would like to see a strong team working on it. saludos, Thamus 04:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

'A lot of contributors are made to feel like "nobodies" within most Wikimedia projects. This is a huge problem and very well known as central to impeding Wikimedia's progress within the context of a maturing Internet. Is Strategic Planning just for admins, sysops and bureaucrats? I know it isn't. I must believe it isn't. CQ 21:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC) No, strategic planning is for everyone, and there is no separation based on roles. You have the same voice as anyone. I just didn't (and still don't) know what the intended use of the page is. Is it to discuss a particular issue? Is it to work for a particular proposal? Any of those, and many other uses are fine. I just wondered what this intended use was for that one.  :-) -- Philippe 21:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC) - by the way, if you believe that's a major issue for Wikimedia, I hope you'll think about a path to get past it and write it up as a Proposal. -- Philippe 21:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)'

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