We will have to redefine Wikipedia?

We will have to redefine Wikipedia?

What a bunch of bullshit we read in this discussion. Wikipedia never was supposed to be made of only scientific articles. Therefore if some somebody is deleting/tagging no-scientific parts or whole articles following this narrow-minded practice then he is corrupting Wikipedia and he should be cast out from Wikipedia. Wikipedia it is not what most people think. Wikipedia it is an encyclopedia, not a compendium of exclusively scientific articles. That means every thing of historic/current notability can be and should be inside of Wikipedia. That is to say: fiction, music, painting, cinema, dance, theatre, TV, folklore, religion, myths, doctrines, science (physics, medicine, mathematics, biology, psychology, history, …, etc.), etc, etc, etc, etc, etc… should be present in Wikipedia. None of these articles are expected to tell eternal truths but only supposed to be a display of historic and notable ideas/events, sometimes embodying truths or lies or both. Even scientific articles which today are current and accepted ideas, a true scientist knows that in the future those current theories can be changed. It is not clear yet? I will elucidate: Wikipedia it is about what has popular and unpopular notability. That is to say, Wikipedia it is an ENCYCLOPEDIA.

Realpedia22:01, 19 May 2011

All the listed items can be studied scientifically (or academically: fiction, music, poetry, painting, cinema, theater, TV, folklore, religion, myths, doctrines, magic, science -- yes, even science can be studied scientifically!). When talking about science I also mean literary critique, film criticism, critical-historical method, psychology, sociology, religion studies and so on. If you do not like the term, replace scientific with academic: Wikipedia renders the academic consensus (or lack of it), since reliable sources express it (or its lack). This of course does not apply to news items, which are not studied academically, but reported by journalists. Simply, reliable sources are either mainstream academic sources or mainstream newspapers. Therefore Wikipedia renders the viewpoints of either academic papers or news items.

Tgeorgescu21:50, 21 May 2011

So, you think that Wikipedia can not describe, say, Aikido? And that, unless these are of a scientific nature, there can be no reliable sources on Aikido? - Brya 05:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Brya05:27, 22 May 2011

Explain knowledge as Arts, Sciences, Humanities and others - As a portion of a broader introduction to Wikipedia, some essays could explain the concept of "knowledge" and traditional views. Physicist Albert Einstein noted the core values of w:Truth, w:Kindness, and w:Beauty, which are basis for Science, Religion, and Art. The core values need to be reviewed so that new editors have a better understanding of the range of ideas in traditional views of knowledge. The older principles of Science are based on the notion of "objectivity" so that Laws of Physics are essentially the same for all; however, with the Arts, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and there is less certainty for issues there. Complicating the whole, since the 20th century, is the awareness from the en:General Theory of Relativity of how reality is in the eye of the beholder, where time slows down in a strong gravitational field, just as the passage of time slows at high velocities. The notions of absolute right and wrong must give way to en:Relativism: "Everything is relative" or almost everything, so there should be a wide variety of articles on a given subject. Hence, some point-of-view POV-forks, as multiple articles viewing the same topic, are needed to overcome a more limited and absolute view of subjects. Due to the likely confusion from such ideas, then new editors should be presented with various essays to help explain those issues about multi-faceted ideas of what a subject encompasses. At some point, every editor should be aware of the en:Theory of Knowledge (en:Epistemology) to keep them open-minded and more accepting of broader viewpoints.

Wikid7710:14, 8 June 2011

All what you wrote does not contradict the current rules of wikipedia. In addition to w:Truth, I would recommend us to review w:Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth, which I believe addresses most issues of the thread. For example,

Relativism of knowledge in sciences (i.e., changing of the "absolute truth" of science with time) is covered by historical articles, which explain what "truth" was 500 years ago, in articles, such as w:Alchemy, w:Aether, w:Flat Earth. We have articles about "not-so-absolute-truth" (such as fringe science and fraud), e.g., Time Cube.

Relativism in Arts is covered by recognition in wikipedia that an opinion of a person of repute in particular area is a fact of note an encyclopedia. Yes, corpulent women of Rubens will fail to be w:supermodels today, but an encyclopedia may explain how the concept of 'beau femme' changed in time and around the world.

And so on. Therefore I don't quite understand why we have to redefine wikipedia, per original poster and what opinion s/he argues with.

Altenmann02:48, 9 June 2011