Main page rewrite
After reading all this I have rewritten the content page. The basic principals behind this new version is to list
- what wikimedia has done so far
- what wikimedia has previously decided not to do
- what types of things we should do in the future (which follows on from the 1 and 2 above)
- what types of things wikimedia should avoid in the future
Please go and edit there. Can I suggest we keep this page for when we actually have a disagreement about what should go there.
That is a good start!
I suggest that we create new pages for different topics, either Wikimedia-pedia pages under the wiki namespace, like List of things that need to be free. Or pages under the Content_scope namespace if it not is obvious that the topic will be of any value to anyone else than those participating in the task force (if it turns out to be, it can be moved there later). And that we uses this talk page for all kinds of task force discussions.
I think the content you created would fit well into an article /Content scope/What WikiMedia is, and what WikiMedia is supposed to be.
I moved this text to What Wikimedia is. I also added links to the documents initiated so far under "Working documents" on Task force/Content scope.
I'm afraid I disagree with you on this.
The most useful pointer to what we do in future is to look at what we have done in the past. Why did we decide to delete Nupedia, the Klingon Wikipedia and Esperanza? These were real decisions. If we don't look at what was decided then we will just go round in circles on this talk page forever reinventing the wheel and never reaching a conclusion.
Creating yet more pages does not help us arrive at a strategy which is what I thought we are here for. Edit my draft to shreds if you think you can do better but don't just dump it out the window into the street and leave it for someone else to clean up.
It is time to stop talking and draft a policy!
I've copied my notes re: project policy to Task force/Content scope/Project policy draft. Why don't we start fleshing out some of those questions, and take open questions back to the discussion page.
Sorry if I wasn't clear about the purposes of my edit. It was not at all about throwing the draft away, but about reorganizing the content. The "What Wikimedia is" page can perfectly well be renamed "new projects, policy document" if that is closer to the intensions behind it. And I hope that page is one of those that will keep being improved as we go forward here. So I hope you know that the page is
I do however also think we should take the chance of collecting as much background material as possible, at other pages, that can help making informed decissions. That means, as you say, to collect the wisdom from past decissions.
As for my part in this task force, I will neither be able to make any decissions, nor to decide what questions that are of importance. So the only thing I hope to do, is to help organizing the content.
Oops .
Sorry Dafer if I sounded grumpy. I think it's because I am a bit grumpy.
Sorry Eloquence. We seem to have had the same idea here and while you were doing one draft I did another. I would really prefer to keep this to one content page and one talk page. Too many pages will (in my opinion) just lead to too many different drafts. Lets get everyone editting the same draft right here on the Task force/Content scope page.
If there is something that is not needed then delete it!
Please go edit the page.
I guess we all are grumpy from time to time. So that's just fine :)
I still think there is value in keeping the main page clean with just links to the documents we are working on from the content scope page. So my sugestion is that we rename "What Wikimedia is" to "New projects, policy document", and incorporates the vision part that Eloquence wrote into it. And that we bold fonts the link from the content scope page to the "New projects, policy document" so that it stands out as the document for this task force.
But if it makes much more sense to everyone to write that information on the content scope page, I am perfectly fine with that. In that case I guess the text you wrote should be reinserted on the content scope page together with Elouquence vision text.
My point was that we are not working on documents. Mostly we are discussing here on the talk page.
Let us start with one page and see how that develops before we spin off any other pages.
I think keeping the Task Force page clean is the right approach. I also think that not forking off too many pages at once is also right; let's stick to a few pages at first and watch them evolve.
I think the pages we have right now are a good start. There's also the Content scope page (formerly Expanding content). There's overlap on some of these pages; it would be good to merge them appropriately.
In general, the pattern has been for Task Forces to create working documents as subpages, and then, when they become more fleshed out, to move them into the Main namespace.
By the way, I love the discussion so far. It's been very constructive, and it's bringing clarity to some complex issues.
