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Welcome to the Wikimedia Foundation's strategic planning process. We appreciate your interest in taking part. You can start by reading our Community guidelines. Check out the links on the Main Page and find an area that interests you. Please feel free to ask me any questions, or you may leave a message on the Village Pump. Philippe 10:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Next Steps

Dialog-information on.svg Next steps!
It's time to answer some questions! Would you check out the list of questions that were submitted by the community and others and try to answer some? -- Philippe 02:11, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings :-)

Hello Sjc,

I look forward to working with you on the Enhance community health and culture task force.

The task force page has our mandate and a list of questions for us to answer. There is a beginning list of resources for us to use. We may need to look for more.

To get the ball rolling I put the questions on the talk page for us to start discussing a plan for answering them.

Please suggestion any ideas about how to better organized ourselves.

Sydney (aka FloNight)

[edit] Community health task force: week of 11-09-09

Hello Sjc,

The Enhance community health and culture task force completed our first full week of work. I summarized our initial activities for our first Weekly Report and included a list of general activities for next week.

Task force/Enhance community health and culture task force/Weekly Report 01

Please add any specific activities that you plan to do for the next week here.

The clock is ticking so in order to stay on schedule we need to make a list of the research activities to complete by the end of the first month. Following this schedule will let us focus on writing the recommendation during the last few weeks because we will have the core research completed. Add your suggestions here.

Look forward to seeing your ideas and thoughts.

Sydney (aka FloNight)

[edit] Some thoughts...

Hi there. I share your concerns about the deadline. However, I do firmly believe we can present something before the deadline that will give a strong indication of ways to improve the projects. As Philippe says, once we pass that deadline we can still be active in pursuing ideas we feel to be important. The strategy process has opened my eyes and I view many things differently now. It has also made me aware that Sue Gardner agrees with me on some changes that could be made, so even if the strategy process disappeared into a black hole tomorrow I'm now aware that I may have an ally in her and could potentially pursue some innovations I'm interested in.

I hear that you are feeling fed up with Wikipedia and are thinking of leaving. That's a personal decision and I wouldn't want to sway you. However, please let your fellow Task Force members know if you leave strategy or let us know if you are not intending to have much input so we know where we stand. --Bodnotbod 12:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Let me reinforce what Bodnotbod said by saying I'm a little burnt out on Wikipedia. (I try to be aware of my bias as a "burnout" as I work on this task force.) I haven't edited at Wikipedia since the springtime because I feel that Wikipedia is being hijacked more and more by people with extreme opinions, making it impossible to build consensus, let alone build an encyclopedia. If you do one thing before you leave, you should contribute to this task force. We have an opportunity to pool our experiences and find ways to make Wikipedia a healthier, more productive community. No matter how hard this task looks, we owe it to ourselves (and all Wikipedians) to give it our best shot. Randomran 19:56, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I have just had another run in with a tag/revert/delete fanatic. TBH I can't honestly see much point in continuing and while I wish you guys well in reforming it, I am now so angry that I am out of here. Sjc 20:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I know what you're going through. I hope you'll sleep on it. As rough as Wikipedia has become, this little strategy community really embodies the original spirit of Wikipedia we all love. This is the first time in a while that I've actually enjoyed the people I'm working with, because we all really assume good faith (that we're all trying to help), and we're all trying to build a consensus (by bridging all our opinions with some common sense). This little place is the Wikipedia you love. We can bring it back. Randomran 20:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I'll do that. If I reconsider it will be mainly for the other wiki projects which aren't so overrun (yet) with policy nazis and which might be saved. But I think it will be a cold day in hell before I venture back into Wikipedia. It's no wonder the project is having retention problems. Sjc 20:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I haven't decided if I'll go back to Wikipedia either. But hey, at least we have this strategy wiki. :) Randomran 23:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
  • I wanted to pick your brain about some of the changes in community that have been happening throughout Wikimedia. Do you have an e-mail that you like to use for just this stuff? You can shoot me one by hitting my userpage, and looking down the "toolbox" on the far left to e-mail me. Randomran 16:08, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
    • I can't see it and I have tried all the skins. My mail addy is a string composed of my username+"2000"+an underscore character+"uk" @ yahoo.com. Hopefully the harvesters won't be able to figure this out and you will Sjc 20:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
      • I sent you an email. Hopefully I'm smarter than a bot :) Randomran 22:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
        • You're smarter than a bot, It's official. :) Sjc 14:25, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting

I'm following your contributions and see some interesting stuff. In particular the stuff about Patterns and Editor Patterns looks interesting.

Do you how in mind a particular way to use it to answer one of more of the Task Force Questions? FloNight 13:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It was done initially for two reasons. Firstly to see whether there were distinguishable tropes in the proposals being put forward as candidates for consideration in this Task Forces favourites. (there were, I could easily define/discern/invent patterns for everything, moreover, the patterns appear to be reusable and have broader application. Secondly, it was done so that we had a handy way of categorising proposals that arise or are identified as being of potential benefit by type. Once you have a broad pattern base it is easy to identify new or emerging patterns lurking in proposals and establish commonality of theme and preoccupation. Patterning has practical applications in assessing proposals relative to most of the questions, particularly #3, and from about #5 onwards.

Editor patterns have real and tangible applications in understanding the problem (people). If we could get access to the right SQL queries against the WP database, we could probably get a good measure of the numbers of each type of editor by pattern over time. Sjc 13:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

There already has been analysis of editing patterns for some types of users. I know that people nominated for admin or other positions have their contributions analyzed using some tools. Maybe some of these existing tools or the information already collected would be helpful in looking at user patterns?? FloNight 15:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
They very well might, and could prove very interesting. How do we get at the information? Sjc 11:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Found at the the bottom of an user's contribution page are several different tools including this one. Analysis of your contributions. mine for Wikisource. People have analyzed individuals and in a few instances that I know of groups of individuals. I'll have to look around to find where the stuff is recorded. FloNight 18:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that FloNight. I'll run up a spider to parse this systematically. Might take a few days to run, and I'll try and do it in quiet times. I'll keep you posted as to how its going. The rulebase will be something like:

  • Start at main page. Discover + store identified users + contributions + links.
    • while all users and contributions + links are not consumed
      • Discover + store new users + links.
    • Loop

This will give me (guesstimate) c. 85% coverage accounting for orphans, anonymous users and unlinked pages of various types.

I can then throw the sozred toolset at each and every user in a loop with another spider.... and capture the results.... 21:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Later: scrub the above, it looks like WP & soxred tools are not responsive enough over (at least) a reasonable wifi connection, and I calculate the time involved to do a demographic analysis of the sort we really need by this route would take approximately 4.7 years, which means we may miss the deadline... So I will do a selective investigation instead, but I need to give some initial thought to the methodology which will underpin and drive this. Sjc 05:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Task force/Community health

Hi,

Updating you about the task force activities and inviting you to update us about any work done related to Community health and your future plans.

See the reference section for new material to review. And here is a reading list of more studies related to the topic.

Additionally, I would like to set a time this week for us to do an interim status check on our work. Could you please indicate here the best days and time for us to have the discussion.

FloNight 12:02, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] LiquidThreads

Thanks for your patience in helping debug LiquidThreads. That skin find was a big one. I'm sure it will speed the effort of getting the LiquidThreads kinks out so that it's more useful for folks. --Eekim 16:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Pure good luck $$ - I was trying to find something that I figured my old skin might not be showing because it was a potentially new feature and the problems went away. The real serendipity was that I am a programmer by trade and was able to adduce the correlation and prove it to my own satisfaction. Sjc 11:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reminder

Reminder to add your comments to the Task force/Community Health/Weekly Report 04. And I want to highlight that the task force is having a meeting on Thursday at 22:00 UTC. FloNight 10:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


[edit] Task force/Community Health/Weekly Report 05

Hello Sjc :-) Let us know your recent activities related to the Community health task force by adding your comments to the Weekly Report. We are having another meeting this Thursday, Dec. 10 2009 at 2200 UTC in #wikimedia-strategy channel at 22:00 UTC. FloNight♥♥♥ 21:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] preliminary recommendation discussion

Sending out a mass message to check in at: Task force/Community Health/Recommendation evaluation

We don't need to pin down our recommendations until mid-January. But we've had a lot of discussions about possible recommendations to focus on. Our hope is to narrow down the larger list to some recommendations that we feel have the most potential.

Check in at the discussion page over there. Randomran 01:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Task force/Community Health/Weekly Report 07

Hi :-)

  • Let me know how that I can better help you with your work on the Strategic Planning wiki.

Sydney aka FloNight♥♥♥ 18:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sort of other view

Hi,

I read your Making Wikipedia a Happier Community essay that lead me to write my own piece of PoV Reference-driven content so one more view is covered. --KrebMarkt 12:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

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