WP:WikiBullying to empower bullying

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Bullies rewriting the policies: I found yet another power-game disappointment when I went to the enWP essay "en:WP:WikiBullying". I had imagined that the shortcut "en:WP:BULLY" would link to some new group of concerned users, or some WikiProject, where several people might try to offer help with investigating concerns when a person feels bullied. No way. Instead, that essay appeared to be the exact opposite, where the wording seems to emphasize no one is allowed to stop other users from doing anything they want to any article which someone else wrote. Plus, if there are any complaints about bullying, then the essay advised to go to en:WP:AN/I, which is already a notorious forum where extensive bullying has occurred in the past, including allowing severe insults against newcomers, with no "support group" to help defend against the typical AN/I crowd, of people who already know every trick to condemn anyone who is being targeted.

Hence, the essay "WP:WikiBullying" gives the ominous appearance of actually being the reverse, as a "Bullies Manifesto" which preserves the right to "delete any section" of an article, even if someone embeds a comment "Don't delete this section". Evidently, the essay advises that no one can stop a deletion, as if removal cannot be limited simply because consensus is needed with the author(s) of that section. You see, to stop a bully from deleting any section he dislikes, and request consensus, would be "bullying" him(!). I seem to remember the danger of the "Foxes guarding the henhouse"....

English Wikipedia is, indeed, quickly spiraling down, devolving into a Kafkaesque system, where "the inmates are running the asylum". Why? ...because any support group who says, "Don't act that way" will quickly learn they have no real power and will ALL be ignored by troublemakers. Hence, policies about bullying must be written by outside objective management; otherwise the bullies, themselves, will re-edit the policies, to slant or twist the definition, where "bullying" means anyone who tries to stop them to wait for consensus. Wikipedia has become quite the interesting social experiment, which shows what can really happen when no external controls are imposed on a self-serving group. We cannot stop them from inside, but at least we have the evidence of how it happened. There should have been better controls on policies, where only certain trusted users were allowed to define policies, in a rational manner observing the need to wait for consensus. -Wikid77 09:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikid7709:18, 17 March 2011

I just read that essay -- I didn't know it existed until you mentioned it, Wikid77 -- & I did not get that impression from the essay at all. In fact, my impression was the exact opposite: all users are permitted a great latitude of license in contributing to Wikipedia, & it is wrong for another person to intimidate another from exercising that license.

Can you be more specific what portions of this essay gives you, Wikid77, a clear impression that bullying is allowed on Wikipedia?

Llywrch18:22, 17 March 2011

So sorry, again. Do you need any kind of essay to have "a clear impression that bullying is allowed [intensely and extensively practiced] on Wikipedia?"

Vapmachado04:36, 18 April 2011

I'm not accustomed to Wikipedia rules, so my comment might be irrelevant. If an editor makes edits to damage an article, it's more like vandalism than bullying. It is bulling only if he damages the article because of it's author. (if he follows another editor to undo him)

I doubt in Wikipedia one can forbid everybody else to edit "his" section of an article. I think that, for a controversial section, comments like "don't delete this section" should be in the form of "don't delete this section, see talk page" and arguments for that section on talk page.

Dl.goe09:27, 18 March 2011