Legitimate decreases need to be considered, too.

The fact that the pattern of stagnation occurs in language editions with very different completeness characteristics completely invalidates the gold rush theory as the primary factor limiting participation or retention. Given that we're seeing similar increases in revert behavior, it's much more likely that communities in many languages have experienced Eternal September phenomena, and have also adopted similar quality assurance mechanisms to deal with those phenomena, leading to similar drops in retention.

Eloquence22:22, 11 March 2011

Good point about other languages. I was mostly thinking about English in my above reply.

Steven Walling at work22:32, 11 March 2011
 

I would think of it not so much as a gold rush as picking the low-hanging fruit. For example in the areas of mathematics that interest me, the well-known ideas need little more than tidying up and, hard for most mathematicians, introducing in simple terms. The less fashionable topics remain poorly represented.

I find it hard to believe that Eternal September has arrived, any more than I can believe that the young have less respect for their elders than they used to, or that policemen are getting younger, or that nobody cooks like my mother used to. I think it is more a case of the old hands having built up knowledge and experience they have forgotten they did not have back in the day. To me, Eternal September protagonists are living evidence of the stick-in-the-mud phenomenon - the ones who dominate Stage 3.

The common pattern across language communities does come as a surprise. But to me it does not suggest Eternal September, rather that the stick-in-the-muds have gone global. I can well believe that the global rollout of tools and policies designed to stifle inexpert enthusiasm is doing just that. Revert rates without context prove nothing: they may be down to young vandals, or old stick-in-the-muds clinging to their territory, or arguments over translating from the original English, who can say without the context. Perhaps many language communities are not so much in Stage 3 as being sucked into it prematurely by the biggest and most influential community - a community that has already got there.

Steelpillow 16:17, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

16:17, 12 March 2011

In addition to the "gold rush" and "low hanging fruit" principles, I would like to add that a major problem on Wikipedia is that articles on small self-contained topics are much more well-developed than core encyclopedic content. While almost all basic topics have articles with sources, many of them are still in a miserable state, because editors need to bring together a wide range of sources and expertise to improve them: it is much easier to work on quirky topics, where there are only a few reliable sources, so that selection bias is not a problem and relevant knowledge can be acquired easily.

Geometry guy23:15, 13 March 2011
 

Two effects that are common to all languages are stricter BLP policy and competition (for user attention) from Facebook. Both happened at around the same time (2006-2008) as the stagnation of activity. Whether this offers any explanation, I don't know.

LA221:17, 12 March 2011

Facebook might compete for people's time, but I don't think it substitutes for the reasons you edit Wikipedia.

For me I started out reading Wikipedia and had added a little content about my local suburb, but the motivations for those edits was curiousity, just to experiment with this Wikipedia thing. For the next couple of years, I just did little edits here and there, probably because I was annoyed with something I throught wrong or a bit incomplete. I had some of those edits deleted for reasons I never quite understood.

Then I read (via one of the donate banners) of the Jimmy Wales quote:

"Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing."

And that changed my perspective of what Wikipedia was and what it was capable of. It was a "road to Damascus" moment for me. I became much more actively interested in writing new articles on topics that weren't there. Now my personal mission has been to try to collate information on missing topics and write at least a start class article.

I still don't necessarily like the way Wikipedia operates (technically or socially), but I'm probably more thicked-skinned about it. I'm here for a reason and I will persist because I am a "true believer" in the Wikipedia vision.

Perhaps we need to understand more about *why* people edit Wikipedia and therefore what will help them to become/stay active editors (assuming their "why"s are positive ones).

Kerry Raymond22:20, 12 March 2011

There are some interesting posts about why women edit Wikipedia on the Facebook "Wikipedia Women" group (you can search for it there). - PKM 23:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

PKM23:50, 12 March 2011