Measuring quality (narrow focus)

I think a baseline for quality is that you can write a neutral, verified sentence about what the subject is, and why it is important. e.g.: "World War II, or the Second World War (often abbreviated WWII or WW2), was a global military conflict which involved most of the world's nations, including all great powers, organised into two opposing military alliances: the Allies and the Axis. The war involved the mobilisation of over 100 million military personnel, making it the most widespread war in history." (I know it would be easy to get that article up to much higher quality than just those two sentences, but just wanted to throw that out as an example.)

Randomran16:39, 18 December 2009

We have some quality standards related to flagged revisions and these may help in separating the baseline quality and substandard articles. On ru.wp (which is different from de.wp but it is closer to what will be implemented on en.wp) the standards to flag an article are:

  • does not contain obviously wrong statements, obvious copypaste and obvious defects like broken templated; basically, has not been vandalized;
  • does contain at least one category;
  • does contain at least one internal link;
  • is not a speedy deletion candidate;
  • all other problems like for instance lack of interwiki or sources are clearly marked.

Drawing a line between a baseline quality aricle and a GA-level article can be more difficult but I think it is clear that a two-sentence article is not a GA.

Yaroslav Blanter17:05, 18 December 2009
 

Yes. Baseline is about basics and about avoiding negatives. In principle it's "something we wouldn't be ashamed to show the public".

Agree with Randomran and Yaroslav Blanter that even one reasonable sentence with a category and minimal links etc, can be acceptable content.

FT2 (Talk | email)17:27, 18 December 2009
 

The key is that the sentence has to be verified in something independent and reliable. And it can't be verifying the mere existence, or just anything.

"Tommy Smith was a World War 2 Veteran.(cited to a personal website) World War 2 was a global conflict that involved most of the world's nations, including two major alliances: the Axis and the Allies.(cited to a published history book)"

I'm digging into details here. But details are important.

Randomran17:50, 18 December 2009
 

Keep it simple for the purposes of a recommendation: - the idea of a baseline (A.K.A. "fit to eat", "not something we'd be ashamed of") plus examples of what a baseline standard might be.

Ideally it should be some simple definition that most communities would agree, in principle, is a basic need, and with basic requirements that any article can probably reach given an hour or two's work. So that we can easily agree all articles should be of this baseline quality.

If they are not created that way, then made that way very soon or else created in some "Draft:" namespace until they meet it.

FT2 (Talk | email)18:45, 18 December 2009
 

Hmm, good point about simplicity. I actually think that "no original research", "neutral point of view", and "verifiability" offer a solid baseline. "What Wikipedia is not", as well. We wouldn't want to go much simpler than that, or else we really throw quality out the window. So it's really a question of translating those rules into a simple baseline standard.

Yaroslav is right that we probably need to throw in some positive things too, like having categories and wikilinks.

Randomran19:14, 18 December 2009

I am not exactly sure what we are discussing but I think writing some guidelines should be relatively easy. I am more worried here about the systematic bias issues: for instance, coverage of Israel on ar.wp. But may be we should just let these issues as an apart point and not discuss here (as well as problematic topics on major projects). I beleve even without these problematic topics we cover 99% of all the articles. Problematic articles should be marked as such and treated manually.

Yaroslav Blanter21:29, 18 December 2009
 
Edited by author.
Last edit: 11:09, 20 December 2009

Possible baseline (feel free to amend or edit):

  1. Inclusion/encyclopedic - Article is likely to be encyclopedic and/or meet any inclusion criteria (NOT, Notability, etc), and does not fall within any rapid deletion process for that wiki (eg "speedy deletion" or "prod").
  2. Neutrality - Article has been reviewed by an uninvolved user and appears reasonably neutral
    • Where neutrality issues exist, appropriate action and tags are in place
  3. Original research, Verifiability, Copyright - Article appears to meet these criteria.
  4. Cites - Key and controversial statements cited, and cites checked. Unchecked statements and uncited issues are tagged.
  5. Tone/style - Article is in an encyclopedic tone, in reasonable and readable English language, broken into reasonable sections with encyclopedic section structure if necessary, and promotional style material has been removed.
  6. Intro/summary - Contains a broad overview, or for articles with an introduction, the introduction provides a broad overview.
  7. Links, templates and categories - obvious internal links are linked; external links are appropriate; very obvious navigation templates are included; at least one category.
  8. Checklist of common issues - A checklist of common issues is reviewed and the article tagged if needed (eg reference improvement needed, limited geographic scope, missing perspectives, relevant WikiProjects, etc)
  9. Other concerns - Conflict of interest, controversial or complex topic, or other specialist issues, either cleared, or clearly tagged and flagged for attention

Most articles could be assessed by such a checklist in minutes, and (except where there is an editing dispute) these kinds of basic issues fixed or properly tagged (as "open issues for attention") within an hour.

FT2 (Talk | email)02:40, 19 December 2009

In 5 obviously we need to replace English for the language of the project.

The rest is pretty much reasonable. but depends on what we call baseline qualityy/ For instance the two-sentence article cited above would not be tagged as a baseline quality article since it does not contain introduction. Also, it does not contain sources even though it is pretty much obvious where the sources could be found. We basically can decide whether in this example is acceptable to tag the absence of sources and intro rather than to require a quality reviewer to add them him/herself/

Yaroslav Blanter00:02, 20 December 2009
 

Item 5 ("English") edited.

As for the 2 sentence article, a baseline quality article that is very short might not need a separate introduction. That's a matter for the local community.

Maybe we don't mind a baseline article being short, so long as it's decent quality. Or maybe this means there are two levels of quality we can distinguish: - "baseline quality" (any length, even just 2 sentences, but has the key features as above) and then "expanded baseline article" (long enough to have sections and separate introduction). I think even the shortest and most obvious topic should have sources for its key facts, to satisfy baseline quality.

Who adds them and is tagging enough - separate question. I think tagging for sources is different from tagging for NPOV (which is why I put sources, verifiability, OR etc separate from NPOV). Users can sometimes argue for years about if it's neutral. So tagging and discussion may be reasonable. But it should be easy to require key or contentious facts to be sourced/verifiable/not OR. Hence why I categorized those two separately.

FT2 (Talk | email)11:16, 20 December 2009

I obviously support two levels - baseline quality and expanded baseline quality

Yaroslav Blanter13:38, 20 December 2009
 

I believe the 17 points I identified in my essay are a more exact and complete list of quality requirements.

Woodwalker16:25, 22 December 2009
 

For the record, I think Woodwalker's 17 points, especially points 12 and 15, are excellent and extremely well reasoned.

SCFilm2917:51, 27 January 2010