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[2009-12-29 11::59:21] -> kludg joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 11::59:26] -> Pickbothmanlol joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 11::59:40] Pickbothmanlol: is faaaaaaaaaaaast

[2009-12-29 12::00:04] eekim: hi everyone, and welcome

[2009-12-29 12::00:21] Pickbothmanlol: Hello there.

[2009-12-29 12::00:30] -> Vito-Genovese joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::00:51] -> Dodoiste joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::00:59] eekim: no agenda today. just want to generally talk about how strategy is going and encourage participation.

[2009-12-29 12::01:21] Pickbothmanlol: Do sockpuppets get to participate?

[2009-12-29 12::01:28] eekim: philippe is on vacation today, so it will just be me

[2009-12-29 12::01:41] -> Platonides joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::01:53] eekim: Pickbothmanlol, do they get to, or are they? ;-)

[2009-12-29 12::02:14] Pickbothmanlol: Don't know, thats why I am asking :P.

[2009-12-29 12::02:58] eekim: everyone is welcome to participate. that's the party line. :-)

[2009-12-29 12::09:58] -> Rjd0060 left the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::10:14] -> cary is now known as cary-lunch.

[2009-12-29 12::10:14] LauraHale: Looks like expanding content part is pretty dead.

[2009-12-29 12::10:43] cary-lunch: OMG it's a LauraHale

[2009-12-29 12::10:48] eekim: hey LauraHale

[2009-12-29 12::10:54] Pickbothmanlol: HI

[2009-12-29 12::10:55] eekim: that group hasn't been doing too well

[2009-12-29 12::10:57] LauraHale: Hi.

[2009-12-29 12::11:01] eekim: hey cary

[2009-12-29 12::11:11] cary-lunch: I'm going to get food then I'll be back.

[2009-12-29 12::11:16] LauraHale: cary-lunch: OMG! IT IS YOU!

[2009-12-29 12::11:25] eekim: we need to find ways to get that group going. it's important.

[2009-12-29 12::12:01] LauraHale: loves cary-lunch

[2009-12-29 12::14:04] eekim: none of them show up on IRC much, other than austin

[2009-12-29 12::17:34] -> Austin1 joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::18:49] -> Austin1 is now known as Austin.

[2009-12-29 12::19:24] eekim: wow, speak of the devil

[2009-12-29 12::21:10] Austin: I was reminded that it was now :)

[2009-12-29 12::21:57] eekim: no worries.

[2009-12-29 12::22:32] Austin: Agreed

[2009-12-29 12::23:07] eekim: !

[2009-12-29 12::23:50] Austin: (My bad for not following up, too)

[2009-12-29 12::24:31] eekim: okay, time is obviously limited, but i would love to get this group going and discuss what we can in the time we have

[2009-12-29 12::24:58] Austin: I'll do that today

[2009-12-29 12::25:16] eekim: fantastic, thank you

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[2009-12-29 12::28:16] Pickbothmanlol: hai.

[2009-12-29 12::28:39] eekim: hi prodego

[2009-12-29 12::29:54] LauraHale: :)

[2009-12-29 12::31:25] Austin: The idea of killing projects gracefully is interesting ;)

[2009-12-29 12::32:12] Pickbothmanlol: like Ndonga?

[2009-12-29 12::32:52] henna: just don't get 'not invented here' from Apache :)

[2009-12-29 12::33:26] Austin: henna: I'm inclined to go the opposite direction :)

[2009-12-29 12::33:38] eekim: if we learn how to kill projects gracefully, this will free us to say yes to more projects

[2009-12-29 12::34:26] Pickbothmanlol: Some projects take time to develop.

[2009-12-29 12::34:41] eekim: definitely

[2009-12-29 12::34:45] Pickbothmanlol: Instead only the inpatient chose to close it at will.

[2009-12-29 12::34:48] Austin: I can remember two examples of us killing a project involuntarily, and neither was graceful.

[2009-12-29 12::34:55] Pickbothmanlol: Klingon?

[2009-12-29 12::35:01] Austin: And sep11wiki

[2009-12-29 12::35:18] eekim: what happened?

[2009-12-29 12::35:45] Austin: Klingon was locked by brion during Jimmy's Wikimania 2005 keynote; we just said "deal with it"

[2009-12-29 12::35:58] Pickbothmanlol: Those that decide to close one project should burn in ****.

[2009-12-29 12::36:05] Austin: sep11wiki involved lots of painful mailing list discussion

[2009-12-29 12::36:25] Prodego: sep11wiki was a stupid idea

[2009-12-29 11::58:37] >> Rjd0060 joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 11::58:42] eekim: hi everyone, and happy holidays!

[2009-12-29 11::59:21] >> kludg joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 11::59:26] >> Pickbothmanlol joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 11::59:40] Pickbothmanlol: is faaaaaaaaaaaast

[2009-12-29 12::00:04] eekim: hi everyone, and welcome

[2009-12-29 12::00:21] Pickbothmanlol: Hello there.

[2009-12-29 12::00:30] >> Vito-Genovese joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::00:51] >> Dodoiste joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::00:59] eekim: no agenda today. just want to generally talk about how strategy is going and encourage participation.

[2009-12-29 12::01:21] Pickbothmanlol: Do sockpuppets get to participate?

[2009-12-29 12::01:28] eekim: philippe is on vacation today, so it will just be me

[2009-12-29 12::01:41] >> Platonides joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::01:53] eekim: Pickbothmanlol, do they get to, or are they? ;-)

[2009-12-29 12::02:14] Pickbothmanlol: Don't know, thats why I am asking :P.

[2009-12-29 12::02:58] eekim: everyone is welcome to participate. that's the party line. :-)

[2009-12-29 12::09:58] >> Rjd0060 left the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::10:14] >> cary is now known as cary-lunch.

[2009-12-29 12::10:14] LauraHale: Looks like expanding content part is pretty dead.

[2009-12-29 12::10:43] cary-lunch: OMG it's a LauraHale

[2009-12-29 12::10:48] eekim: hey LauraHale

[2009-12-29 12::10:54] Pickbothmanlol: HI

[2009-12-29 12::10:55] eekim: that group hasn't been doing too well

[2009-12-29 12::10:57] LauraHale: Hi.

[2009-12-29 12::11:01] eekim: hey cary

[2009-12-29 12::11:11] cary-lunch: I'm going to get food then I'll be back.

[2009-12-29 12::11:16] LauraHale: cary-lunch: OMG! IT IS YOU!

[2009-12-29 12::11:25] eekim: we need to find ways to get that group going. it's important.

[2009-12-29 12::12:01] LauraHale: loves cary-lunch

[2009-12-29 12::14:04] eekim: none of them show up on IRC much, other than austin

[2009-12-29 12::17:34] >> Austin1 joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::18:49] >> Austin1 is now known as Austin.

[2009-12-29 12::19:24] eekim: wow, speak of the devil

[2009-12-29 12::21:10] Austin: I was reminded that it was now :)

[2009-12-29 12::21:57] eekim: no worries.

[2009-12-29 12::22:32] Austin: Agreed

[2009-12-29 12::23:07] eekim: !

[2009-12-29 12::23:50] Austin: (My bad for not following up, too)

[2009-12-29 12::24:31] eekim: okay, time is obviously limited, but i would love to get this group going and discuss what we can in the time we have

[2009-12-29 12::24:58] Austin: I'll do that today

[2009-12-29 12::25:16] eekim: fantastic, thank you

[2009-12-29 12::27:43] >> Prodego joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::28:16] Pickbothmanlol: hai.

[2009-12-29 12::28:39] eekim: hi prodego

[2009-12-29 12::29:54] LauraHale: :)

[2009-12-29 12::31:25] Austin: The idea of killing projects gracefully is interesting ;)

[2009-12-29 12::32:12] Pickbothmanlol: like Ndonga?

[2009-12-29 12::32:52] henna: just don't get 'not invented here' from Apache :)

[2009-12-29 12::33:26] Austin: henna: I'm inclined to go the opposite direction :)

[2009-12-29 12::33:38] eekim: if we learn how to kill projects gracefully, this will free us to say yes to more projects

[2009-12-29 12::34:26] Pickbothmanlol: Some projects take time to develop.

[2009-12-29 12::34:41] eekim: definitely

[2009-12-29 12::34:45] Pickbothmanlol: Instead only the inpatient chose to close it at will.

[2009-12-29 12::34:48] Austin: I can remember two examples of us killing a project involuntarily, and neither was graceful.

[2009-12-29 12::34:55] Pickbothmanlol: Klingon?

[2009-12-29 12::35:01] Austin: And sep11wiki

[2009-12-29 12::35:18] eekim: what happened?

[2009-12-29 12::35:45] Austin: Klingon was locked by brion during Jimmy's Wikimania 2005 keynote; we just said "deal with it"

[2009-12-29 12::35:58] Pickbothmanlol: Those that decide to close one project should burn in ****.

[2009-12-29 12::36:05] Austin: sep11wiki involved lots of painful mailing list discussion

[2009-12-29 12::36:25] Prodego: sep11wiki was a stupid idea

[2009-12-29 12::36:44] Pickbothmanlol: Controversy?

[2009-12-29 12::36:49] Austin: Well, it was started to get a bunch of non-notable bios off enwiki

[2009-12-29 12::36:59] Pickbothmanlol: LOL WUT

[2009-12-29 12::37:01] Prodego: because we didn't want to delete them

[2009-12-29 12::37:12] eekim: are these cases documented anywhere?

[2009-12-29 12::37:13] Austin: Yes, nowadays that would have gone differently :)

[2009-12-29 12::37:32] Pickbothmanlol: Like when requesting new Simple Wikipedias were allowed.

[2009-12-29 12::37:34] Austin: eekim: not afaik

[2009-12-29 12::37:43] Prodego: fundamentally the problem is that the wikimedia culture does not like removing things

[2009-12-29 12::37:46] Austin: I guess I can write up a paragraph or two on both

[2009-12-29 12::37:48] Prodego: wikis, or articles

[2009-12-29 12::37:51] eekim: that would be great

[2009-12-29 12::38:01] Austin: Just need to dig through the mailing list archives

[2009-12-29 12::38:10] eekim: that's an easy thing to ask people to do

[2009-12-29 12::38:26] Prodego: it easy to ask, not easy to get people to do :)

[2009-12-29 12::38:32] Austin: Right ;)

[2009-12-29 12::38:38] Pickbothmanlol: I would, if my account wasn't locked :(

[2009-12-29 12::39:31] eekim: Pickbothmanlol, on strategy?

[2009-12-29 12::39:45] Pickbothmanlol: it's locked globaly.

[2009-12-29 12::39:52] Prodego: this isn't the place

[2009-12-29 12::41:38] Austin: brb

[2009-12-29 12::41:41] Vito-Genovese: eekim: this may help: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Sep11wiki

[2009-12-29 12::42:50] eekim: fantastic, thank you Vito-Genovese

[2009-12-29 12::43:01] Vito-Genovese: pleasure

[2009-12-29 12::45:02] eekim: added some links and created stub pages at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Expanding_content

[2009-12-29 12::45:22] >> Pickbothmanlol left the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::45:32] eekim: if the worst thing this group does is document the current policies/frameworks and some of the history, i think it will accomplish a lot

[2009-12-29 12::50:24] lyzzy: eekim: discussions on movement roles have to be pushed

[2009-12-29 12::50:34] eekim: hi lyzzy

[2009-12-29 12::50:47] lyzzy: do you have an idea how to start?

[2009-12-29 12::50:48] eekim: philippe and i have chatted a lot about your group recently

[2009-12-29 12::51:20] lyzzy: i wasn't on my top level for some weeks, that's one point

[2009-12-29 12::51:57] eekim: don't worry, lyzzy

[2009-12-29 12::52:07] lyzzy: mh. not easy

[2009-12-29 12::52:14] eekim: i'd start by going through the discussion and adding your two cents

[2009-12-29 12::53:09] lyzzy: that could be helpful, yes

[2009-12-29 12::53:15] eekim: for example, it would be great to document how chapters get formed and some of the controversies that we've had in the past

[2009-12-29 12::54:20] lyzzy: yes, absolutely true

[2009-12-29 12::54:34] eekim: the other thing for your group would be to make sure that people know about some of the research that's been happening

[2009-12-29 12::55:27] lyzzy: if skype works ;)

[2009-12-29 12::55:47] eekim: finally, don't absorb the burden yourself. let me, philippe, and others help.

[2009-12-29 12::56:12] lyzzy: :) i hear you

[2009-12-29 12::56:54] eekim: it can

[2009-12-29 12::56:57] lyzzy: your few sentences gave me valiable hints

[2009-12-29 12::57:05] >> randmontoya_ joined the chat room.

[2009-12-29 12::57:07] eekim: very glad to help

[2009-12-29 12::58:06] lyzzy: yes please

[2009-12-29 12::58:41] eekim: okay, great

[2009-12-29 12::59:02] cary-lunch: wrap it up with a nice bow

[2009-12-29 12::59:03] eekim: let's stay in close touch

[2009-12-29 12::59:04] >> cary-lunch is now known as cary.

[2009-12-29 12::59:12] eekim: also thanks for popping in, austin

[2009-12-29 12::59:28] lyzzy: we'll do

[2009-12-29 12::59:36] eekim: and a late happy birthday to cary :-)

[2009-12-29 12::59:41] cary: shhhhh

[2009-12-29 12::59:48] eekim: oops! cat's out of the bag

[2009-12-29 13::01:14] >> You left the room.