Proposal talk:Wiki ESP

What is ESP?

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Sorry to sound ignorant, but en:ESP has about fifty different meanings, ranging from en:Extrasensory perception to en:España via en:Extra Solar Planet. please can someone who understands the proposal elucidate? WereSpielChequers 10:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Very funny, you ARE a hyperlink? --Fasten (Wikinews: Aktion Deutschland Hilft asks for donations after the earthquake in Indonesia) 11:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you want an executive summary. This is the relevant section of the draft: wikia:scratchpad:Draft-fastenrath-ethics-search-protocol-00#Overview --Fasten (Wikinews: Aktion Deutschland Hilft asks for donations after the earthquake in Indonesia) 12:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I've read this a couple of times and followed the links and I still have no idea what this wiki would actually do or how it relates to other Wikimedia projects. The proposal seems to be to develop a meta data language to specify the ethical characteristics of a product / company, to use a Semantic wiki to create machine readable descriptions of various companies and products. Is that the proposal? Why not include the price and the product description and make it a whole earth catalog of everything? Good luck keeping the spammers out of that.

Alternatively, limit it to companies and published data - financial and ethical. Here the first task is to get the regulators to agree what info the companies must produce and what format it should be in. I'm not sure Wikimedia has much to contribute there. Once the companies publish machine readable info Google, Bloomberg and Reuters will publish it - no need for us.

Definitely needs a rewrite. Be sure to include

• What you think Wikimedia should do
• Why you think Wikimedai can do this better than anyone else.

--Filceolaire 12:52, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

You should try to understand it before you write about it. Your comment shows that you haven't understood it.

• The system allows to keep out spammers with digital signatures and annotation spaces that require login.
• It is already limited to companies and data they decide to publish (that is its primary purpose).
• Regulators don't have to agree because the system allows companies to agree on common policies and consumers to demand policies.
• The Wikimedia foundation has a community of contributors who could help to maintain credible company information. This is already happening in Wikipedia. As an ESP community there would be added responsibility and purposes, as for instance the purpose to comment on failure to implement policies. --Bernhard Fastenrath 11:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank You Bernhard.

If you read my comment above you will see I did read your proposal, and the links, and I still didn't understand it. I have read your response above and I still don't know what the proposal is. Can you rewrite the proposal please, including more basic information on what this wiki would include and how it would work. Filceolaire 12:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

That would have to be decided by the community or the foundation. I can give you an example: A company has a profile on Wikipedia and the editors discover a set of relevant policies. The editors create an entry on the ESP wiki that includes the Wikipedia article and a set of templates that link to the policies. A special forum and ticket system allow to track issues concerning the company. The article on the ESP wiki can include opinions on products of the company (possibly as subpages) and reviews of company behavior and policies (see: review site). The community could also decide to perform investigative journalism or publish selected news items from other sources, following established Wikinews and Wikipedia practices. The community could also measure the demand for policies by consumer communities and make recommendations to companies about policies. A company could, for instance, receive a recommendation to implement a policy that allowed the community to make more detailed requests about company information (e.g. including a limited number of guaranteed visits to the company). --Bernhard Fastenrath 12:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The examples make it much clearer what type of things ESP could be used for. Thanks. Filceolaire 14:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC).

Why  is  HRS an ethics search engine? The explanation is simple: Turn Corporate Social Responsibility into a scarce resource; into such a very scarce resource so that a negative algebraic sign would be appropriate. Then start to  be  a hotelier (and/or entrepreneur), thus turning hoteliers and entrepreneurs into the other side of a false dilemma. Result: Ethics search engine and  instant good karma . The recipe is, of course, not suitable for this universe; it could be imagined as a stupid bug exploit in a management training simulation. In order to follow this  plan  it helps a lot, of course, not to have understood the plan or Corporate Social Responsibility or both. --Bernhard Fastenrath 12:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Consumer protection curriculum

There is an initiaitive "Jugend Tested" in Germany where pupils test products. The initiative is supported by Stiftung Warentest. One could work on a related consumer protection curriculum for Wikiversity as a part of "Wiki ESP". --Fasten (Wikinews: Aktion Deutschland Hilft asks for donations after the earthquake in Indonesia) 11:55, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Potential partners in Germany

• German Confederation of Trade Unions
• Education and Science Workers’ Union
• Stiftung Warentest
• Clewwa — Bundesamt für Verbraucherschutz und Lebensmittelsicherheit (German)
• Verbraucherzentrale Bundesverband e.V. (German)
• csr-weltweit.de
• Greenpeace Einkaufsnetz (German)
• ...