IRC office hours/2010-03-23

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[2010-03-23 13::00:46] eekim: hi all!

[2010-03-23 13::00:58] Philippe|Wiki: hey eekim :)

[2010-03-23 13::01:06] eekim: hey Philippe|Wiki :-)

[2010-03-23 13::01:31] Philippe|Wiki: indeed.

[2010-03-23 13::02:22] >> howief joined the chat room.

[2010-03-23 13::02:34] eekim: hey howief

[2010-03-23 13::03:17] Philippe|Wiki: Hi howie... I haven't forgotten the stuff I'm supposed to do for you. :)

[2010-03-23 13::03:30] eekim: unless other folks have other topics, i'd like to talk a bit about strategy wiki—where it's at, where it's going

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[2010-03-23 13::04:15] eekim: i think there are four parts of strategy that are really useful and that should continue beyond this project

[2010-03-23 13::08:03] Philippe|Wiki: sing. sing. sing!!

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[2010-03-23 13::10:45] eekim: i'm singing! too bad y'all can't hear me

[2010-03-23 13::10:56] Philippe|Wiki: Don't make me call the office and ask.

[2010-03-23 13::11:00] eekim: welcome qemqemqem

[2010-03-23 13::11:42] >> howief joined the chat room.

[2010-03-23 13::11:45] qemqemqem: hello eekim

[2010-03-23 13::12:10] eekim: yeah, this is one of our most scarcely attended office hours ever

[2010-03-23 13::12:35] mikelifeguard: never fear, mikelifeguard is here (to stir up some trouble :P )

[2010-03-23 13::12:39] eekim: :-)

[2010-03-23 13::12:42] Philippe|Wiki: mike! :)

[2010-03-23 13::12:48] eekim: howdy mikelifeguard

[2010-03-23 13::13:25] mikelifeguard: Is peteforsyth or frank around?

[2010-03-23 13::13:41] Philippe|Wiki: pete might be... frank is rarely on irc

[2010-03-23 13::13:46] eekim: pete's in the chatroom. any specific questions?

[2010-03-23 13::14:05] mikelifeguard: I meant in the office, where you can say a message to them for me :P

[2010-03-23 13::14:12] eekim: sure, what's the message?

[2010-03-23 13::14:23] Philippe|Wiki: oh, that'd be eekim, i'mtraveling :)

[2010-03-23 13::14:25] mikelifeguard: I'll grab pete later

[2010-03-23 13::14:36] eekim: no worries

[2010-03-23 13::15:54] peteforsyth: hi I'm here!

[2010-03-23 13::18:10] mikelifeguard: Hey! Frank did say he was going to do retroactive announcements about those 2 staffing changes, right?

[2010-03-23 13::19:51] Philippe|Wiki: howief is a contractor, doing some survey analysis for us, for usability and strategy

[2010-03-23 13::20:53] mikelifeguard: ah, cool

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[2010-03-23 13::25:35] peteforsyth_: mikelifeguard: sorry, got a phone call—back shortly

[2010-03-23 13::27:18] mikelifeguard: np, I have to head home anyways

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[2010-03-23 13::31:30] eekim: okay, it's uncharacteristically quiet today

[2010-03-23 13::37:47] tleinone: Hi all. I was not exactly sure about the time, but looks like that I popped in the right hour.

[2010-03-23 13::37:59] Philippe|Wiki: hi tleinone - we're here :)

[2010-03-23 13::38:39] tleinone: Hi Philippe|Wiki.

[2010-03-23 13::39:14] Philippe|Wiki: How are you doing? :)

[2010-03-23 13::39:17] tleinone: would you like to explain me shortly how you are using the IRC in the strategy process.

[2010-03-23 13::39:39] eekim: hi tleinone, and welcome!

[2010-03-23 13::39:43] Philippe|Wiki: Sure... IRC is mainly used as one of several different methods of communicating with people who might be interested.

[2010-03-23 13::39:46] tleinone: Philippe|Wiki: I am really interested in about the process.

[2010-03-23 13::40:13] Philippe|Wiki: We give updates in regular IRC meetings, and bounce ideas off contributors, and more importantly, get their ideas.

[2010-03-23 13::40:43] tleinone: Philippe|Wiki: do you raise some specific questions for discussion or is more like Q&A for you?

[2010-03-23 13::41:03] eekim: see http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours for logs of previous office hours

[2010-03-23 13::41:12] Philippe|Wiki: eekim is the program manager, as you may know - but i think you'll find that it's a mix of both

[2010-03-23 13::41:44] tleinone: eekim: thanks for the link. helpful.

[2010-03-23 13::41:47] >> Mike||gone is now known as mikelifeguard.

[2010-03-23 13::41:48] eekim: also, many of the task forces did regular IRC meetings

[2010-03-23 13::42:18] Philippe|Wiki: eekim: no, but that's a great idea.

[2010-03-23 13::43:10] mikelifeguard: peteforsyth: I just wanted to make sure it happened sooner rather than later since it is already an announcement about something that happened months in the past.

[2010-03-23 13::44:21] eekim: tleinone, are you asking out of curiosity, or are you planning on doing something similar?

[2010-03-23 13::45:14] tleinone: eekim: curiosity and learning. I am often referring to the WMF strategy process in my talks but not sure if I am really so aware of it. :-)

[2010-03-23 13::45:27] peteforsyth: ok mikelifeguard—really here for real now

[2010-03-23 13::45:29] eekim: excellent!

[2010-03-23 13::45:36] tleinone: eekim: so trying to educate myself.

[2010-03-23 13::45:56] eekim: where do you talk about Wikimedia strategy? would love to hear what you're saying and what people's reactions are

[2010-03-23 13::46:17] peteforsyth: and yes—we haven't forgotten, it's not getting put off indefinitely.

[2010-03-23 13::47:24] tleinone: eekim: ...with my students, in some "academic" circles I have asked people to check the WMF strategy process if they are interested in the future or organizations.

[2010-03-23 13::47:26] mikelifeguard: eekim, tleinone: Yeah, I'd love to know what's being said about this process outside WMF circles.

[2010-03-23 13::48:21] tleinone: mikelifeguard: I think it is actually rather hard to get a grip of it.

[2010-03-23 13::48:24] eekim: tleinone, fantastic! i actually was just re-reading our interview with you just today. serendipity! http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interviews/Teemu_Leinonen

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[2010-03-23 13::49:14] eekim: i've been collecting links on the strategy wiki referring to training, which is how I came across your interview again

[2010-03-23 13::49:33] peteforsyth: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/2010-03-16

[2010-03-23 13::49:43] eekim: we can definitely do a better job of articulating how strategy works

[2010-03-23 13::49:46] tleinone: eekim: link?

[2010-03-23 13::49:58] eekim: for your interview?

[2010-03-23 13::50:09] peteforsyth: oops sorry, that was random..

[2010-03-23 13::50:33] eekim: if anyone has specific questions about the strategy process, don't hesitate to ask

[2010-03-23 13::50:46] tleinone: eekim: "collecting links on the strategy wiki referring to training"

[2010-03-23 13::50:47] eekim: i'll dig up a link

[2010-03-23 13::51:37] tleinone: eekim: are you planning to publish something about the strategy wiki?

[2010-03-23 13::52:16] eekim: yes

[2010-03-23 13::53:04] tleinone: eekim: I am sure all major publishers would love to publish a whole book about this. :-)

[2010-03-23 13::53:29] eekim: when we start approaching publishers, i'll be sure to show them your quote ;-)

[2010-03-23 13::53:34] tleinone: eekim: an article e.g. in First Monday could be a first hit.

[2010-03-23 13::53:46] eekim: that's a great idea. didn't think about that.

[2010-03-23 13::53:47] Philippe|Wiki: don't do that, eekim, tleinone will then request "agent" fees

[2010-03-23 13::54:11] tleinone: Philippe|Wiki: :-) sure. I am an agent anyway.

[2010-03-23 13::54:46] eekim: i'll approach them. this would fit in well with them.

[2010-03-23 13::55:17] tleinone: eekim: definitely - and they do publish also case studies.

[2010-03-23 13::55:35] eekim: thanks for the suggestion!

[2010-03-23 13::56:50] tleinone: eekim / Philippe|Wiki: so what is your schedule? and what will be the final deliverable?

[2010-03-23 13::57:10] eekim: the main deliverable is a movement-wide, five year plan

[2010-03-23 13::58:58] tleinone: eekim: how large document you are expecting it to be? how many pages? A4? :-)

[2010-03-23 13::59:18] eekim: 20-40 with lots of pretty pictures :-)

[2010-03-23 13::59:58] tleinone: eekim: you could also consider some of the board members to present some of the main points on video.

[2010-03-23 14::00:02] mikelifeguard: made an edit to make it readable; revert if you like -> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/2010-03-16

[2010-03-23 14::00:37] eekim: we had talked about doing videos like this and decided not to because of costs

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[2010-03-23 14::01:12] eekim: we could potentially do a citizen's video at the upcoming board/chapters meeting

[2010-03-23 14::01:17] tleinone: eekim: I assume that you are anyway expecting the board will officially approve it.

[2010-03-23 14::01:43] eekim: the board has already approved the goals that seem to be emerging from the process

[2010-03-23 14::02:23] tleinone: eekim: good.

[2010-03-23 14::02:42] eekim: have you seen the interim slide deck we did on emerging goals?

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[2010-03-23 14::03:20] tleinone: eekim: no.

[2010-03-23 14::03:25] eekim: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:100125-Wikimedia_Feb_Board_Background_Final.pdf

[2010-03-23 14::04:23] tleinone: eekim: thanks - looks interesting.

[2010-03-23 14::04:33] eekim: no problem

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[2010-03-23 14::05:51] Philippe|Wiki: OK, Eekim, I'm going to duck out... I have to get my car back to the shop. Again.

[2010-03-23 14::06:06] eekim: ttyl, Philippe|Wiki

[2010-03-23 14::06:12] Philippe|Wiki: bye ya'll :)

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[2010-03-23 14::06:22] eekim: tleinone: You can see a preliminary page on training at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Training

[2010-03-23 14::06:46] tleinone: eekim: thanks. see you.

[2010-03-23 14::06:47] eekim: ping me on the wiki if you have questions/further ideas

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